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Chattanooga Stand is Evolving and 'Picking Up Steam'

By John Hawbaker | July 17, 2009, 11 a.m.

Chattanooga FC games, Nightfall, Movies in the Park, and JJ's Bohemia are just a few of the places you may have seen Chattanooga Stand volunteers in yellow t-shirts, collecting surveys from local residents. As the campaign wraps up its eleventh week, coordinator Sarah Lester answered questions about the campaign's evolving strategy, what they have learned so far, and whether they are on track to collect 25,000 surveys by August 31.

According to the field strategy guide, campaign organizers are pursuing four primary angles:



  • Top-Down : reaching large and diverse groups of people through small portals

  • Bottom-Up: supporting established networks and equipping connectors

  • Events: a yellow t-shirt and an easy ask, turning canvassing into conversations

  • Neighborhoods: haven’t seen Stand yet? on the ground, coming your way



Ms. Lester characterized the strategy: "Find people. Create time and space for them to respond. Equip others. Do what works today, try something new tomorrow. Change strategy often."

Political organizers assist field team

The initial strategy was fleshed out and imparted to Stand's field team with the assistance of Justin Wilkins, Elizabeth Crews, and Adam Green, each of whom has served as grassroots volunteers in local and national politics, including the 2008 Obama campaign. Mr. Wilkins was involved in early planning for the initiative, providing insight towards "building a team around an aggressive goal," according to Ms. Lester. Ms. Crews assisted with the transition from the research phase to the initial implementation. Mr. Green assisted with the "nuts and bolts of field strategy" and plans for geographic targeting.

"They taught us the importance of engaging others, of sharing (letting go of) ownership of the campaign, and making the tools readily available to others," Ms. Lester said. "Since launch, they’ve made themselves available to answer questions about engaging volunteers, managing a database of volunteer information, how to motivate people, and exploring a 'house party' model of engagement. Motivating people to act—even if just responding to a survey—is a very rewarding challenge."

Lessons from the field

The campaign's biggest success came from canvassing large public events, such as Movies in the Park, where they offered Clumpie's coupons for free ice cream cones to anyone who completes the survey. Volunteers also canvassed Chattanooga FC games, Nightfall, and a Stand party at JJ's Bohemia. The initiative  led them to neighborhood meetings and events, churches, and businesses. Ms. Lester called a recent event at The Bethlehem Center as a "glowing success," but not only because of the number of surveys collected.

"Everyone in that loud, colorful gymnasium left knowing their voices were heard, seeing more in common with those around the table than when they arrived. This is the beauty and power of community," she said.

Not every tactic was as effective as anticipated. Neighborhood associations presented a challenge early on. "Response from neighborhood association meetings has been varied, given different levels of neighborhood participation and methods of communication," Ms. Lester said. "We’ve found more success reaching out through community events, having a Stand presence at gatherings already taking place in the neighborhoods."

The organization is restructuring its presentations to accommodate a call to action. "We’ve learned that presentations to neighborhood associations, churches and workplaces are less effective when people don’t have the time to respond immediately. Now, we make an effort now to build time in to our presentations to answer the survey," she said.

Behind schedule, but 'picking up steam'

As of July 13, Stand collected 9,539 surveys: 1,929 submitted online, 7,608 collected in person, and 2 by telephone. Ms. Lester said that Stand is "gaining momentum" with 1,433 surveys collected in just four days between June 9—12. According to the timeline published in Stand's field strategy guide, organizers originally hoped to reach 16,250 surveys at the end of this week.

"Sure, we may not have 16,000 today, and you could choose to interpret this as being behind goal, but Chattanooga's participation is an astounding success. We are raising the bar across the country—even the world—for community visioning efforts of this kind, which use surveys rather than nominal group participation by a show of hands or head count," Ms. Lester said.

Citing participation statistics for similar campaigns in Calgary, which collected 18,000 responses in 12 months, and Portland, with 17,000 responses in 24 months, Ms. Lester said that the numbers "speak for themselves." Based on the current tally, she said 5.70% of Chattanooga city residents have participated, compared with 1.88% in Calgary and 2.99% in Portland.

Ms. Lester said, "A plan is pretty on paper, but taking it to the streets is the only way to measure its effectiveness. Developed at the outset of the campaign, the field strategy and timeline are not up to date to reflect the many routes that have brought us to this point. Rather than documenting each step we took, we’ve taken another step forward, taken note, changed course, and moved forward again."

"Our goal remains 25,000 by August 31, and we are steadily making progress," she said. "We’re picking up steam, momentum is building, and I expect to see a continued and rapid climb in the numbers in the weeks to come."

Comments (78)

  1. T. Cartter Lupton on July 17, 2009

    Oh Cool! Chattarati is posting press releases now. Trying to beat the Chattanoogan at it's own game, eh?

  2. Name on July 17, 2009

    Seriously, The Chattanooga, The TFP and Chattarati all print whatever is sent in as a press release while there are tremendous opportunities in Chattanooga for some investigative journalism. It's depressing.

  3. atrowbri on July 17, 2009

    Open email to HQ@chattanoogastand.com:

    Hello,

    In regards to your FAQ, which reads:

    "A third party will enter responses into a database, code the content, and then all the codes will be statistically analyzed by a third party researcher. This work will be done by smart, thorough and dedicated individuals. If you would like more information about this process, please contact Stand HQ. "

    I would like more information about the process of analysis of this information. From my research on Calgary and Portland, the analysis process seems as if it was clear in the beginning who, specifically, would analyze the data and what the process would be from the beginning to the finish. The Stand information seems very vague. There remains no specific description of what will happen to the surveys, who will handle the data and what happens then. It's all described optimistically but without any useful detail.
    What insight can you provide? I'd welcome you to respond publically via Chattarati, TFP or otherwise.

    Sincerely
    Adam Trowbridge

  4. DavidMorton on July 17, 2009

    When we post a press release, which we sometimes do, we place it in a blockquote format, preceded by a URL (if available) and/or an indication of the source. It looks kinda like this.

    With this story, John asked Ms. Lester specific questions about Stand, which she answered. You may not like the answers she gave—that's your prerogative—but we have no more control over her responses than we do your reaction to them.

  5. Sarah Lester on July 17, 2009

    Adam,

    Thanks for your great question. Glad for the chance to clarify this for you and others. I've also updated the website's FAQs to reflect the info below.

    The Ochs Center for Metropolitan Studies, along with UTC's Center for Applied Social Research, is handling the data entry, coding and analysis.

    When you fill out a survey, and it makes its way back to Stand HQ, it is stamped with a unique number. When surveys come back in bundles, such as from events, house parties or location-specific canvassing, we note the source and date they were collected too.

    Each week, we take all collected paper surveys to The Ochs Center/Center for Applied Social Research. There, four experienced student researchers input the data digitally, exactly as it comes in, to a form similar to the online survey. (They're done this over 4753 times so far!) Soon, they will conduct a mid-point data verification check on 5% of their data set. In other words - they'll select digitally entered surveys at random and make sure the data matches what's on the original paper survey.

    Ochs and CASR are also working together to develop a qualitative coding rubric with broad categories and more specific sub-categories, based on themes they see emerging as the data is entered. Once this rubric is approved, the student researchers will begin assigning codes to survey responses that came in on paper and online. Once they're about halfway through, people who haven't handled the data thus far will conduct a mid-point coding verification check on 5% of responses, to see if the codes assigned to the responses correctly match the rubric.

    Once all the data is coded, The Ochs Center will analyze it and produce an executive summary, which will likely include breakdowns of the data according to major themes, geographic location, demographics, etc. Stand's goal is to return all this valuable information back to you in a format that's easy to use, share and understand. Along with the executive summary, ALL the survey data will be shared openly with the public, after removing personal information, of course. So, if you want to know what people in your ZIP code had to say, you can sort and search at will.

    We hope to be releasing the results after the start of 2010.

    Thanks,

    Sarah Lester
    Stand, Campaign Coordinator

    w: chattanoogastand.com
    e: sarah@chattanoogastand.com
    t: @bridgesoverblue
    p: 423-648-6499

  6. stephen42 on July 17, 2009

    "...do what works today, try something new tomorrow. Change strategy often,"
    Quick question, if Stand does not reach its goal of 25,000 by Aug 31st will they continue collecting or go ahead and tally the results?

  7. Sarah Lester on July 17, 2009

    We will work until we collect 25,000 responses, even if it takes a few extra weeks beyond the goal we set for ourselves.

  8. atrowbri on July 17, 2009

    Thank you for your response, Sarah. It really does come across much better when it's put into specifics than when it's wrapped in vague marketing-speak.
    I have three follow up questions:
    1. It sounds like Stand project ends when the data is in its final form. Is this correct?
    2. Will Stand dissolve as an entity after the data is tabulated and returned?
    3. Are you aware of other organizations who have plans for the Stand data and, if so, can you share those plans?

    The three questions above all concern the assumption that many of us have that Stand is not just about surveys, it's about some other plans or orgs that will follow and use the data from the surveys as justification for things they already have in mind.

    I will say I am very happy to hear that all survey answers will be publicly available. Thank you again for your time and detailed response.

  9. Sarah Lester on July 17, 2009

    Adam,

    I'm happy to answer your follow-up questions, but I won't be able to do this tonight.

    Unless, of course, you want to come talk with me at Nightfall, where I'll be canvassing with other Stand volunteers.

    Best,
    Sarah

  10. atrowbri on July 17, 2009

    Sarah,

    No thank you, Sarah but I do wish you luck with your goals.

    I've taken a Stand in Chattanooga, especially in the arts, in many ways that I won't bore people by listing. One very short survey isn't going to change that or add to it.

    In this case, I am taking a Stand by remaining skeptical and asking questions that one would hope journalists or lay-journalist bloggers would have already asked. I look forward to you answering them if you can find the time. I would encourage you to move this vital information on your website. I am sure everyone would be interested in hearing, in very specific detail, what happens with 25,000 people's dreams.

    Best,
    Adam

  11. John Hawbaker on July 17, 2009

    Adam,

    This story was specifically focused on two things: Stand's strategy
    for collecting the 25,000 responses and their progress towards that
    goal. I have plenty of other questions—similar to your own, in fact—
    that I plan to explore in future stories.

    Breaking up our coverage of Stand into a series of stories is not only
    easier for me as a "lay-journalist blogger," but better for our
    readers as well. Since I am writing for the web, I have to consider
    the way people _read_ on the web. That generally means shorter, more
    tightly focused articles.

    If you haven't already read them, you may find my previous stories on
    Stand informative.

    Thanks for reading and especially for sharing your feedback.

    John Hawbaker
    Editor, Chattarati

  12. T. Cartter Lupton on July 17, 2009

    Yes, you're right. It wasn't the posting of a press release. It was a puff piece.

    It's not the answers I don't like, it's the puzzling lack of a journalistic warrant. What about this post is newsworthy? All the information contained within can be found on both the CreateHere and STAND websites. What about this post is "news'?

  13. Allison on July 17, 2009

    Antrowbri asked in item two if Stand will continue as an organization after the 25,000 survey's are collected. While the process with the Och Center compiling the data is well explained, the future role of Stand after the survey is completed is not understood. Maybe I missed this part of the explaination. That is reasonable question, if the Stand group will continue to "pick up steam" after the surveys.

  14. atrowbri on July 17, 2009

    Hi John,

    "Stand's strategy for collecting the 25,000 responses and their progress towards that goal."

    Is this news? Stand is not meeting their goals, the ones we know about, but aside from a number, what *is* their goal? We still do not know aside from providing a report of 25,000 people's responses to a very short, vague survey. We have not been told why the questions asked are important and what is to be done with them and by who. I asked and was told that they will be published. That seems like a strange exercise: ask, publish...then what? There is more to it and the fact that I cannot find that answer on their site is perplexing and makes me more curious. I am not assuming it is something wrong, or something bad, or something I am against. I am just pointing out that a lot of "opinion taking" is happening and many of the people answering do not know, specifically, what is going to be done with their opinion. I would like to know.

    What you cover and how you cover it is obviously up to you. I don't know what it means to be a journalist and what responsibility it entails, I'm an artist who would, most honestly, prefer not to get involved with this sort of thing. But I cannot live in the city without being inundated with these recent initiatives who share the common theme of being without measure, incredibly positive and incredibly vague and thus I find I must speak.

    That said, I think what is going to happen with people's information is a vital topic to discuss at or before the point the campaign begins, not at some future date. I do not know that repeating a page of Ms. Lester's press release format response, as in your article "Chattanooga Stand Reveals Financial Data and Strategic Plans," is all that helpful in the search for truth. They revealed who is funding it and who is running it. Still, the question remains, why and why specifically? To me, and I'm just one person here, I know, that is the vital question. When someone tells me that they have decided to *give* me a voice in the future of my community by filling out a 4 question survey, I don't care how many people have already filled it out, I want to know what they *really* want out of my thoughts.

    I appreciate Chattarati in the same way I appreciated the Pulse when they began, as an independent voice asking questions and sometimes making fun. However, I will be frank with my criticism in the same way I hope anyone aspiring to journalism is frank with their reporting. Please take this as supporting you, not as denigrating you. I want people to ask questions and remain independent. Congratulations, most honestly, to Chattarati, on understanding that advertising is a form of controlling the media and rejecting that. I'm new to Chattarati but I find myself supporting your effort (even as I make comments that may sound frustrated).

    Back on topic, I encourage you to move quickly on the issue of Stand and ask questions that don't make you popular while it is still fresh and before it morphs into another initiative. I had the good fortune to meet with David B. Ottaway and Joe Stephens of The Washington Post during their investigation of the Nature Conservancy and my impression was that they were two guys out to politely ask questions their subject did not want to answer. To me, this is journalism. I think Chattarati has done it and I think Chattarati does it. I'm asking for more follow-up. You do not, of course, owe me anything, I'm just offering my thoughts.

    Thank you for doing what you're doing,
    Adam

  15. John Hawbaker on July 17, 2009

    Coincidentally, perhaps, a post was published on CreateHere's blog this morning that cited the comparison to statistics from "visioning" initiatives in Calgary and Portland. Prior to that, I do not believe that those numbers had been published. They were included in my story, which was written last night and published after being reviewed this morning by fellow editor David Morton.

    And despite it's public availability, it's my guess that very few people have actually read Stand's field strategy guide. Those who haven't would be unaware, for instance, that Stand hoped to collect over 16,000 surveys by this week but has not yet reached that milestone.

    Thanks for your feedback.

  16. John Hawbaker on July 17, 2009

    Adam,

    It might be helpful to note that the disclosures were published by Stand, at least partially, in response to one of our editorials:

    http://chattarati.com/2009/05/08/we-have-a-vision-for-chattanooga-stand/

    More on your feedback later, but suffice to say: I appreciate it.

    Thanks,
    John

  17. atrowbri on July 17, 2009

    Congratulations for that. It just shocks me that someone had to ask for that information. Do these new orgs assume that no one is interested or do they hope to keep things out of sight? I really cannot tell.

  18. Allison on July 18, 2009

    I am still waiting for the intital number 2 question you posed to Stand. What is the Stand plan after the 25,000 surveys are collected, does Stand plan to continue to "pick up steam" as the River City youthful branch office.

  19. Allison on July 20, 2009

    Again, after Stand collects 25,000 surveys, and the Och Center sorts data, presents a report, will Stand continue to "pick up stream?" I understand that the Ochs Center (fine reseachers) will arrive somehow at a statistically based finding from a polling method that has no basis in science, and an implementation plan for the widely held vision will result.. Does Stand group plan to gracefully hand this plan over to the RPA, Mayor, and walk away? I see Stand carring this to every elected board in Hamilton County and seeking endorsements by resolution, the rest is predicable. Yes, reasonable people all to familiar witht purpose of these effort to in fact distrust Stand. For very good reasons, it not based on personality, it is based on the history of these efforts, and I was there.

  20. Mike Kelley on July 20, 2009

    Robert,
    As a resident of Chickamauga, I actually do not care about the STAND survey. Matter of fact, I see it really as a way to make it seem like Create Here is actually doing something other than trying to help Josh McManus get elected to some political office.

    And as to "Name" above, "investigative journalism" is a sort of red herring. Chattaratians have day jobs. It isn't my or the other's main gig. We have work, families, bands, etc. This is citizen journalism, you want to investigate something, go ahead do it, write about it and be heard. Other wise....

  21. URAQT on July 20, 2009

    CreateHere/STAND is just another example of unsustainable, overmarketed Baby Boomer spending & conspicuous consumption. Think Humvee's & McMansions.

  22. atrowbri on July 20, 2009

    Sarah,

    I really do hope you intend to respond to the questions, as you said you would. If someone else wants to represent Stand in responding that would be great too. I think what happens after Stand is as important, if not incredibly MORE important, than where Stand is on their survey goal.
    What is Stand leading up to? I want to know, Allison wants to know and I am sure, if they even know what was going on, Chattanooga would want to know.

  23. atrowbri on July 20, 2009

    I think a great deal of what is happening is directly related to Richard Florida's "creative class" methodology for artificially gentrifying a city. I was at an event years ago when Bob Corker held up Richard Florida's book as a plan for Chattanooga. This has been something that's been working its way through Chattanooga well before others jumped on the bandwagon. Some of it may work, most of it likely does not. It's better to be cautious and measure results (and request hard numbers from those who claim results).

    There does not seem to be any objective goal setting or measuring going on so we are left to wonder what is successful and by whose standards. What is clear is that Richard Florida is beginning to find very harsh critics from cities he's tried to practice in and from social scientists who question his claims.

    If you're interested in where Chattanooga wants to be headed, I suggested reading some of the academic texts listed here:

    http://creativeclassstruggle.wordpress.com/counter-florida/

    For those who only want to skim:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Florida
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_class

    I encourage people not to write off the Chattanooga art community just because you might dislike some of the louder members. Attend an AVA opening, go to the Hunter, go see a symphony performance, there's a much wider art community in Chattanooga and no one organization can claim to represent creativity.

  24. Sarah Lester on July 20, 2009

    All,

    Given that we reached the 11,000th survey participant, Stand had a busy, productive weekend, to say the least! Thanks for allowing me time to respond.

    Stand's initial goal is to gather input from 25,000 people on what they want for the future of this community. The Ochs Center will analyze the responses and produce a executive summary report with their findings. Our intention is to make this valuable information, along with all the raw data, available to the public, in hopes that it will provide insight and direction for residents, organization. I'm not aware of any organization's specific plans for the data.

    Next steps for this community visioning effort are to use the identified themes and priorities to facilitate public, face-to-face dialogue. The topics of these discussions will be determined by the survey results. Just as the current phase of surveying strives to be inclusive of as many voices as possible, so will this phase of dialogue, involving and inviting residents, community leaders, corporations, non-profits, established organizations and elected officials. The responsibility for our community's future is shared by everyone who lives here. I envision this dialogue will serve to clarify broad issues and to educate the general public on baseline statistics of where Chattanooga stands on those issues.

    Stand's current phase of surveying was researched and developed through community roundtable, led by residents across the community. Stand has a community roundtable meeting every other Wednesday at 5 PM at Bluegrass Grille (55 E Main Street). Our next meeting is Wednesday the 22nd. This is open for anyone to join - anyone who is committed to being hopeful and helpful. As the surveying draws to a close, the focus of this roundtable will turn to Phase II. But now, we're first and foremost focused on making sure we from as many people as possible from all walks of life across the region. I welcome you to be a part of this face-to-face conversation.

    Best,
    Sarah

  25. Allison on July 20, 2009

    As I understand from the information provided by Ms. Lester, Stand will collect 25,000 surveys in a random polling, that the Och Center will apply a statically mean, and serve as the interpreter the goals that those surveyed deem most important. Is this correct? Then, Ms. Lester describes a second phase after the survey called, "Phase of Dialogue"

    She states "Just as the current phase of surveying strives to be inclusive of as many voices as possible, so will this phase of dialogue, involving and inviting residents, community leaders, corporations, non-profits, established organizations and elected officials.”

    Call me a baby boomer, but this Phase of Dialogue should align with elections. How interesting! You will have a database of 25,000 The efforts and timing of Stand are an organization with political and lobby. Sure call me wrong now, 2010… Why not had the plan to RPA and Mayor to implement, if it is not a political campaign in progress.

  26. atrowbri on July 20, 2009

    Sarah,

    Thank you again for following up but this is beginning to feel unnecessarily drawn out, from your part. My immediate response is "What then?" You are describing an organization that will remain around for at least another year in order to do what you have only now outlined, if not permanently. You have now revealed (partially) what Phase II consists of. What is Phase III, IV, V? Do they exist or is this all flying blind? Such an organization as Stand must, or at least should, have a long term vision. I ask that you either release a five-year plan for Stand or let us know what the planned date is for the end of Stand and with what results does it intend to produce. Any potential investor in a company would ask as much, likely more. You are asking Chattanooga to invest their dreams in Stand. What is your mission statement, what is your goal, what is the final result, specifically, always specifically? This should be stated before asking anyone to participate.

    Again, asking people to attend the meetings of your organization, and let's be very clear here, it is an organization controlled by a very small group of people and NOT a grassroots movement, is not transparency. No one needs to come to your meeting in order for you to transparently present the entire Stand plan, here and in all Chattanooga media. It started, you claim (but without releasing transcripts from any meeting) from "a roundtable". When and where does it end? Chattanooga did not create Stand, a small group of Chattanoogans did. Thus, they should be able to let Chattanooga what they intend to do, start to finish, with the hopes and dreams of 25,000 people.

    In addition to providing an entire life cycle plan for Stand, I would also ask you, since you brought it up, to provide some factual basis for stating that "Stand's current phase of surveying was researched and developed through community roundtable, led by residents across the community." Who were these residents and what did they say? Since stand is admittedly taken from other community "visioning" experiments, I have a hard time believing that residents across our community independently came up with the exact same process as had already been implemented elsewhere. Are you actually claiming that this roundtable came up with the Stand process?

    I do know that when other places took on this process with the goal to implement an overall vision for the city, it did not seem to be a "Phase IV, we'll let you know...sometime" goal but was a stated goal. Calgary intended to produce a "100-year vision for Calgary". What does Stand intend to produce and why have I had to ask so many times for a clear answer? I appreciate your enthusiasm but it is getting a little trying to keep asking for a complete and specific mission statement.

  27. HataPlaya on July 21, 2009

    No, Adam, this is beginning to feel unnecessarily drawn out, from your part. You feign concern over what the plan is for STAND and the data and how it will be used. However, you seem too focused on nit-pick attacking to come up for air and think about the situation. As you have pointed out, it is a very short, vague survey. Quite vague. So much so that, *gasp*, the questions don't influence the persons response. Vague, so that they can be grasped by all social groups, and almost all ages. If it contained language that in any way influenced the response or alienated a group, you would be attacking them for that.

    As to what the plan is for the data, it is a crap shoot. Really. Thousands of responses to a vague survey and you hope that there is a conspiracy in place for the data resulting from it. The questions are not leading and, therefore, I cannot believe that *they* already have a plan in place for acting on the results, and yet you demand that they reveal their goals and the final result. Goal= 25,000 surveys, Final result=TBD. I think you are trying to trick Sarah into responding to your demands/questions knowing that if she has hard fast answers to them then the whole thing is a sham. So, you are not coming across as a concerned citizen, you seem to be a vindictive attack dog and you certainly are not making any sense in your own argument.

    Also, I don't get the sense from Sarah's responses that STAND will be executing any actionable plan to anyone. It seems that STAND is the gatherer, Ochs/CASR the analyzer and as the executor. There are plenty of organizations in town with programs that could answer to the results of the survey, so I think you can relax on thinking that STAND is going to exist forever in order to tell Chattanoogans how their "dreams" will be realized. So, stop worrying about what STAND is going to do with the results, what are you going to do with them?

    As an artist, I would hope you would have an appreciation for chance( and am sure you are familiar with the role chance has played in the art world for the past, oh, 50 years. (Think Cage/Cunningham/I Ching)). So why can't an organization ask benign questions of a population on the chance that something interesting or positive will be revealed about and for the community? Is it really wrong to do this? Do you honestly believe, honestly, that these people are doing this for some dark purpose? The fact is, and I would wager on this, that *all* serious candidates for *any* public office will turn to this data for insight, and this for years to come. This goes for all current office holders as well.

    So, relax. Take a ride on the Riverwalk, go out and soak up a bunch of Chattanooga. Take a break from harassing Sarah and scrutinizing the process of STAND. Most of your questions might simply not have answers yet. This thing is fluid, don't try to solidify it. Leave it to chance on the chance that something interesting, positive, or beautiful can result.

  28. joshmcmanus on July 21, 2009

    Mr. Kelley,

    I don't believe that we've ever met before. Futhermore, I'm positive that we've never spent any time discussing our respective pursuits so I find your clairvoyance on my aspirations to be baffling. That said, I've chosen to work in a semi-public role so I stand ready for public scrutiny at any time. However, I will not stand by and have you specutively belittle the work of many smart and passionate individuals who wake up every morning and work hard at CreateHere to improve this city that we call home. Thanks to their hard work and support from private donations, much has happened in the last two years. Over 120 people have participated in our 8 week business planning classes, 50+ individual artists and artisans have been supported through workspace, career advancement and project grants, and we've had over 20,000 visitors to events in and around Chattanooga. Make no mistake about it, we're always working to get better but we're also proud of where we've been. These stats only skim the surface of our efforts. Agree or disagree with our approach, our methodology, or our beliefs; that's all in due course for healthy discourse. Yet, cowardly armchair quarterbacking and insular nay-saying will only embolden our resolve to challenge stagnation and the status quo. If I follow your logic, should I consider Chattarati a waste of time for all posters, and as such a platform for you and your fellow Chattaratians to run for public office? Take all the shots at me you want, but think twice before you belittle the daily labors of an entire team without having singular fact. By doing that, you continue to degrade journalistic integrity and yield your hopes to bring truth to this media environment absolutely futile.

    Josh McManus

  29. Allison on July 21, 2009

    How funny! The Stand group that markets itself on asking questions, is advising someone to stop asking questions and stroll on the River. Adam's questions are met with such defensiveness. Your notion that we should all blindly follow Stand and trust that the motivations are genuine is simply not going to happen.

    The Stand drivers listed on www.chattanoogastand.com have a history of either assuming the drivers seat by appointment, or attempting to take the driver’s seat though election. The driver’s seat has jobs for friends and lucrative contracts, and the return may warrant to resources and financial expenditures through Stand. While being politically motivated is not bad and the Stand list includes many genuinely talented people, screening a political pre-planning effort under a non profit vision process has created distrust. The Stand effort is a vision of a few select group of people from an older political group that wants the rest of us to vest into their vision. This is widely held opinion. Adam hit this nail on the head.

    Stand’s second phase “Phase of Dialogue” is precisely the measure to create a drivers seat with the purification of 25,000 surveys. Otherwise, the second phase would have been to turn the Och’s report over to elected drivers, Mayor and RPA.

  30. Allison on July 21, 2009

    HataPlaya, your quote above speaks volumes:

    "The fact is, and I would wager on this, that *all* serious candidates for *any* public office will turn to this data for insight, and this for years to come. This goes for all current office holders as well."

  31. billzane on July 21, 2009

    Ha! This is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. I am a YP in town and I am not a big fan of Baby Boomers either. But I have attended many of the CreateHere events and they are so far from a Boomer crowd- your statement is laughable. I have some friends that work there and they are as far from the "Humvee's & McMansions" culture as you can get. Why don't you go down there and actually spend 30 seconds in their space before speaking out of a place of ignorance. Also, check out "X Saves the World." A great book, albeit, an extreme view, of the culture clash between Gen X and the Boomers.

  32. billzane on July 21, 2009

    Because our mayor doesn't "do" anything!

    Weird how every gets all freaked out when someone, or a group of people, actually "do" something. Gets the political establishment all worked up when ordinary citizens actually speak up (read "STAND up").

    I am recent transplant (read "outsider"), yet I have become more involved with stuff going on around the city than most people living here their entire lives. "How?" you might ask...I just did. I just found a couple things around town that I got excited about and jumped in. It's not tough. You naysayers (read "Allison" and "Adam")- quit sitting on the sidelines complaining and go "do" something. Chances are it will be more than our local government is doing.

  33. Robert T. Nash on July 21, 2009

    Who thinks Adam Green is Billy Blades of 'Worst Mayor Ever' website fame?

  34. Mike Kelley on July 21, 2009

    I believe you do not understand the definition of the word "cowardly". I'm here with my real name, I'm here speaking about something which came up in conversation with some of the "regulars" around here. And believe me, if you knew me, (we've met) you'd know my feelings about Chattarati run opposite of your suggestion above. Cowardly, Mr. McManus, would be to do this via anonymous letters to our newspaper and various option pages.

    I can say that CreateHere and "journalistic integrity" are an interesting mix. I want the process to be open but it seems this is nothing but a stealth campaign, gathering data, not for improving Chattanooga but for political campaigns.

    In upcoming elections, can we get a promise from those on the STAND board, to not use this information in their campaigns? Of if they do use the info, will it be available to members of all parties? Will this information be released unfiltered, i.e., see full results?

  35. Allison on July 21, 2009

    If a naysayer is one that does not blindly follow this fate pre political planning process, than than I am definitely a naysayer. Name call if you will.

    I do take exception to your derogatory comments about our current Mayor. The Littlefield administration is the most transparent, and accessible group that has been in office since the Mayor Roberts. Secondly, you state that you are a newcomer to Chattanooga and make false claims that Mayor Littlefiled is “doing nothing.” I guess as a newcomer attending roundtable Stand meetings with the old Coulter political group could potentially be influencing your perspective. I try to get news from many sources, maybe it help for you to interact with more diverse community groups, and not buy into one Stand vision.

  36. Sumit Khanna on July 21, 2009

    You left out Chattanooga Swing and Lindy. We had a dance at Create Here back on July 11th, our Frim Fram Jam. There was a $3 discount on admission as long as people filled out a Stand survey.

    Check out http://chattanoogaswing.org to find out more about swing dancing in the Chattanooga Area.

    -Sumit
    Directory, Chattanooga Swing and Lindy

  37. Allison on July 21, 2009

    My opinion is no, the Adam Green I met is professional -well spoken, the lose language contained that website would seem out of character.

  38. mwillingham on July 21, 2009

    "lose language contained that website" - This is classic!!

    FAIL

  39. Allison on July 21, 2009

    Sorry, I have a writing disability, dyslexia backwards, that makes me skip words, and interchange letters beyond spelling.

  40. joshmcmanus on July 21, 2009

    I, too, post under my name and my name only.

    My "journalistic integrity" reference is to your opinion blog and the rhetoric that I've consistently heard from principals and writers about the need for greater transparency, investigative journalism, and alternative factual news streams.

    I hope that the information that STAND gathers is meaningful enough that all will want to use it--citizen, elected official and candidate alike. If you read Sarah Lester's responses in this post and/or the STAND website, we've always promised that the full data set, unfiltered, will be released, in addition to aggregations and interpretations of the themes and trends.

    Also, I understand the definition of "cowardly" very well. Re-read my statement. I would have directly called you a coward if I felt that to be the case. My statement was referring to the repeated anonymous feedback on this site that often interjects untruths stated as fact.

    The fact is, only I know what I'll do with my time today and for the rest of my life. So, I'd encourage you to find a better system for splitting news from opinion if you wish to be more than a local gossip column.

  41. mwillingham on July 21, 2009

    Well don't I feel like a jackass...

    My apologies.

  42. URAQT on July 21, 2009

    The people attending CreateHere events may be different than those living in McMansions out in Hamilton Place, but the irresponsible, wasteful and unsustainable spending is the same.

    The sins of the parents are the sins of the children, only with better marketing and more meaningless lingo.

  43. Allison on July 21, 2009

    That is why I listen to Live and Local. When you view the list of drivers on www.chatanoogastand.com, what do you think?

  44. atrowbri on July 21, 2009

    Yes, I ask that people demanding, in an increasingly shrill manner, that the population of the city of my residence fill out a survey tell everyone what they will do with the data, specifically. The question has not been answered and I'll keep asking. It's as simple as that.

    Sarah, please answer the question about the long term plans of Stand. There's nothing beautiful or fluid about playing a shell game. Beautiful, grassroots action comes from the people not from spouting vague marketing slogans at the people. If you are for real, tell the people what you want to do with their dreams.

    To the "HataPlaya" I'll specifically respond that your knowledge of art and politics is really not up to snuff if you think the people you mentioned would support a very well funded organization yelling at people to "take a stand" by "filling out this form we made for you." Give me a break.

  45. atrowbri on July 21, 2009

    Mr. McManus,

    I would encourage you to put a distance between your organizations, both CreateHere and Stand (which share the same address and many, many of the same staff) and the Chattanooga Times Free Press if you wish to avoid leaving this blog as the only independent news source available. While it is easy to criticize this blog, and I have done so, what do people have left when the TFP supports Stand uncritically and prints press releases as if they were news reports? Before throwing mud at these *creative* *working* people here, who report without pay and at the risk of their careers, unfunded, I'd ask you to take a good, long hard look at how little critical press you have received. As a former citizen of Philadelphia, Chicago and Washington, D.C. I assure you no other non-profit executive has it so easy. There is much more to criticize about the TFP than this blog, can we expect you to speak out about the lack of journalism in Chattanooga anytime soon?

  46. sgrizzle on July 21, 2009

    I am genuinely curious what the crew here thinks about the first community visioning process in the 80's- Vision 2000. Do you all think it was good? Bad? Please explain. I, like billzane above, am an outsider. I grew up in Florida and moved here for college and don't think I'll ever leave. I love this place and am just as passionate about it as everyone else taking part in this thread.

    Anyhow, I did not have the opportunity to know what Chattanooga was like in the early 80's and would love to have feedback from those who were there, before and after Vision 2000 and Chattanooga Venture.

    Thanks!
    sg

  47. Allison on July 21, 2009

    Atrobri, You are correct. There has been more disclosed about Stand on Chattarati than any other media source. Not from gossip as implied, but from the Stand groups own admission. This has been a discovery exercise, thank you. Other than the Lynhurst Foundation handing the old Coulter political group a pile of money for the political preplanning in this marketing exercise, who asked Stand’s intervention? I would not use your real name, if they are elected it could harm your business.

    From this Blog I learned:
    1) Sarah: Stand will continue with the "Phase of Dialogue" after the 25,000 surveys are collected.
    2) Per Stand Hataplaya “I would wager on this, that *all* serious candidates for *any* public office will turn to this data for insight, and this for years to come. This goes for all current office holders as well."
    3) Per Stand Staff, "Relax' and asking questions makes you a naysayer.

  48. HataPlaya on July 22, 2009

    That is it. Frankly I am disappointed. Lets look at the the paragraphs in reverse. Ah! a syllogism. If I am "HataPlaya" and I think that John Cage and Merce Cunningham employing the I Ching would support a well funded... etc. Then my knowledge of art and politics is not up to snuff. Well, I don't think that,so I guess my knowledge is still intact. That is the disappointing paragraph. I lay out some ideas and you come back with, what I feel, is a "I know more about art than you do, so how dare you drop names" response. My mention of these artists was as a connector in my statements, though I admit to also mentioning them because I thought it might get your goat. (So, what do I feed this little devil?) Lastly,have a break on me.

    Paragraph2
    I too would like to know any long term plans for Stand if such a thing exists in a from solid enough to qualify as a plan. 'Shell game', your inference of the situation. Sentence three, I agree. I disagree with your application of the later part to Stand, but overall ok. Now, The People. This is the interesting part isn't it. Let me take this for a walk, and this is not my interpretation of your words, but I do use your concerns as a point of departure. Stand came from people, but not The People. I want to make this distinction that I get from you, Allison and some others. I will refer to the "Stand group" as they have been represented in other posts as They. The People is a larger set that includes all in the Chattanooga area. Some think that They are forcing Stand on The People, and, it seems by your posts, that you are concerned about the interests of The People and perhaps even, and this is my stretch, protecting The People's dreams from They.
    So, my interpretation of your words is that you think you are compelled to be skeptical of this process because of your concern that The People are getting dupped by They. Furthermore, I infer from that that you feel The People are not capable of making their own decision on this. Most of The People seem to get by ok on their own on a daily basis and I think in the face of these four questions, they will get by. This is a tired tactic. Isolate one group from the bigger group, demonize them and do so self-sacrificially for the good of the whole. If my read is even near correct, then you sir, are noble. Finally, The People's dreams. (and please take this as the joke it is, cause I am about to cry I am laughing so hard.) I have a new screen name for you. DreamWatcher!

    Finally! Paragraph 1.
    I don't get the feeling that Stand is demanding The People to do anything. Is this Stand's increasingly shrill manner or yours? (Again, a joke) The Data. I agree with your interest in the fate of this data. Quite interested, though I confess my outlook is optimistic. I am having a hard time wrapping my head around how Stand can provide you and The People with specific answers to what they will do with a data set that, as a whole, doesn't even exist yet. If they had this power, they would not need a survey. Their response to this question, in one or more of Sarah's posts, makes sense to me for now. (I, personally, think the data will decide its own fate. but that is a different topic all together.) So, while I encourage you to ask questions, I think you should work on your timing. The Data isn't in yet, not in the finished form of 25,000 which is the goal. Once it is in, analyzed etc, then "What are you going to do with it" is an appropriate question. (It would be like me saying, I am going to give you a box, then demand to know what you are going to do with what is in the box, before I even give you the box.) However, asking that question here and now to one entity, Stand is easy. Once that dataset hits the street and all these organizations and individuals have it, Oh My! You are going to be a very busy man in your quest to protect The People from the applied analysis of four vague questions that seem to contain their dreams.

    A note on They. I look at this list of "drivers" and it has little meaning to me. They are names. I recognize few of them and know what even fewer of them do. Yet naively, I do not cave on the ready accusations of Allison and others that They mean me harm. I am not ready to damn them as individuals along with a bunch of organizations that apparently also mean me harm until I feel as though I have a very good, well documented reason to do so that does not read like a conspiracy novel. I enjoy dialogue on ideas as well as some applied skepticism. My first skeptical indicator is simple, the question, "Does this make sense?" If the answer is no, then I proceed to apply further tools of skepticism. Right now, The answers and FAQs from/on Stand make sense. Hints of conspiracy and sinister plots do not. Subject to change.

    I would like to use this text to rejoin the two sets, They and The People, I don't want to close with them still separated.

    Optimist- Fool? - HataPlaya

    Seriously, Adam, what do you feed this goat!?

  49. Allison on July 22, 2009

    Hataplaya, you state that you look at the list of Stand
    drivers and see nothing but names, and then make reference to me, “Yet naively." You Stand guys result to name calling rather than addressing concerns. So far, I am naive, naysayer, others are cowards... It appears that it is not me that just got off the turnip truck, my friend.

    Your post from yesterday, clearly stated that all of current and future elected offices would use the Stand vision. Those are strong words to reasonable people that do not like concerted lobby efforts with non profit funds. This statement embraces the facade of a warm and fuzzy lets all sit at “roundtables” to the real agenda of politics. Name calling is what people defer to when they cannot dispute the facts, so continue.

  50. Robert T. Nash on July 22, 2009

    John Cage is OK, but I'm a Iannis Xenakis man myself...

  51. Name on July 22, 2009

    "So much so that, *gasp*, the questions don't influence the persons response."

    OK, but the questions are asked by real people with their own convictions.

    http://www.psichi.org/pubs/articles/article_121.aspx

    There is no real problem with this as long as it is accounted for by the Ochs Center/Center for Applied Social Research.

  52. HataPlaya on July 22, 2009

    A simple mistake. You misunderstood my words yet instead of aiming your misunderstanding at me, you accuse Stand of name calling. Do please re-read my post. There was no name calling so no apology is needed. I think you would do well to read posts that you plan to respond to several times to see what they are actually saying before using the words of others toward your ends.

    Secondly, I, in no way represent Stand, so please, do not ever equate my thoughts or words with those of the people running Stand. They are mine, not theirs, period.

    Further, It seems as though you stopped reading before the comma following, "Yet naively". What is the pronoun attached to this statement? It is, in fact, I, not Allison. Your name was mentioned there because, from your posts, you have insinuated that a group , or groups, exist(s) that means me harm.
    Re-read your posts. I used that insinuation in my definition of the set "They".

    Further on name calling. You will never, read a post from me that resorts to anything even close to name calling. You will also never see me post attacks against people. The ad hominem fallacy is one of my least favorites and quickly moves the person committing said fallacy to a state of disrespect. As mentioned, I enjoy discussion of ideas. I happen to disagree with some of what Adam has said and have decided to address it. Nothing against Adam. He has not offended me nor I him. Simple, civil, and fun.

  53. Allison on July 22, 2009

    Chattanooga Venture was a grass roots effort Mai Bell, Littlefield and was not operated out of the front door of a private business, with vague objectives, and an intent to lobby and control political outcomes.

  54. atrowbri on July 22, 2009

    When you post under your real name, you might deserve a real response. Until then you've gotten one free pass, anonymous person who likely works for one of the orgs in question.

  55. atrowbri on July 22, 2009

    billzane,

    Your comments are nonsense.

    Well before CreateHere or Stand I was involved in making things happen in Chattanooga's art scene, because I wanted to participate, not because I wanted to turn creativity into real estate prices or because I wanted to co-opt other people's opinions into my own goals. I did not take a salary from it, which you cannot say about these new initiatives.

    I encourage people to get involved, to do something, to take their own Stand and to avoid letting anyone else speak for them without explaining what, specifically, is going to be said.

  56. Allison on July 23, 2009

    Stand’s non profit group claims that they are capturing Chattanooga’s vision and what they want for the future. Stand is collecting 25,000 arbitrary and random polling surveys with methods that have no basis in science. In other words, from anyone from anywhere at anytime that will give in to a yellow t-shirt, survey waving, zealot.

    Pay the Och Center whatever you will Stand; the findings will not have a reasonable statistical deviation. Garbage Data in and Garbage Data out.
    Stand covered the 3rd grade inner city school. Branch out at the HCDE registration, and make those kindergarteners take a Stand, or a time out!

  57. HataPlaya on July 23, 2009

    I understand. I think I have gotten what I needed from this for now. I do find it unfortunate that you seem to apply value to the statements of others according to who they are and, if it helps your cause, where they work ,and not according to what they say. Let me rephrase, It is more important who says a thing than what thing was said.

    That is where we find ourselves, online humans, all too often now. We read something we don't like, see who said it, Google them, and start gathering rocks and dirt to throw at them and any business or organization they are involved in. It is precisely for this reason that I post anonymously under this silly name here. You are free to disregard all that I say on your (almost fully stated) fallacious grounds. This is the level of discourse that I, unfortunately, come to expect in online discussion boards, but I still hold some hope.

    So, thanks for your time and the free pass Adam. And I wish you and Chattarati well on your suggested witch hunt to have all Chattanooga organizations and major businesses justify their existence publicly. I am sure that they will all appreciate the opportunity for introspection. I would assume all citizens will be next on your list? (har har) Oh, can I also assume that you will be creating the metrics as to how this justification will be measured?

    No response, real or otherwise, needed.

    TOPIC SHIFT

    Ok, C'mon. How ironic is it that I get a pop up for a survey on Chattarati this morning? Too funny. So, um, is anyone going to demand that They give us, The People, specific answers as to how exactly they will use the data gathered to enhance our browsing experience on their site? Anyone?

  58. billzane on July 23, 2009

    Oh shooooot! She busted out the "time-out"! Is it an entirely random sample? Probably not. I cannot understand how you feel getting 25,000 responses from Chattanoogans is arbitrary. Guessing you're a boomer right? If not, you're certainly reacting like one...absolutely terrified of the next generation of leaders.

    Just above this response, you said that Chattanooga Venture and Vision 2000 were grass roots efforts. I find this pretty humorous. How does two people constitute "grass roots"? Also, from what I have heard (and correct me if I am wrong because I am an "outsider" and not "in the evil power structure"), the first visioning process what funded by the awful do-gooders at Lyndhurst. Pretty sure that's the same set-up as this time.

    Circling back to grass-roots- you mentioned that Mai Bell and Littlefield (LF) were part of that effort. Cool! I am glad they did. I have a friend who is a CEO of a fairly large company in Chattanooga, who said Mai Bell actually called him on behalf of Stand. So by my estimation, that makes Stand at least half of a grass roots campaign. Now for the other half- LF has built his entire public life on his experience in leading the Chattanooga Venture effort. Since you are clearly a big LF fan, please explain why you are so hell-bent on keeping a new generation of leaders from assuming leadership roles.

    This is what I see as "worst-case scenario"- aforementioned Stand group, gets 25000 responses from the public of Chattanooga, Ochs tabulates the data, the public then gets unfiltered access to the raw data, and then (cue creepy, sinister plot type music) somebody decides to look at the information and do what they can to make Chattanooga a better place. This just reeks of conspiracy. My hope- Mayors LF and Ramsey/whoever will look at the data, realize this is their constituencies, and see if they can address some of the issues. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce will do the same if there are business issues that need to be addressed. Maybe the groups that assist the homeless will find some useful information and do something about it. And maybe you are right, Allison. Maybe the next mayor candidate will come out of the group, maybe not. But whoever is running for whatever office, 25000 responses shouldn't be ignored.

    Soon, a new generation of leadership will assume leadership roles. I cannot wait for that day!

  59. billzane on July 23, 2009

    Yes, I agree. Since Chattarati is a privately owned website, I demand to know what you are going to do with my responses. Please don't give to anyone from the Stand campaign. We know we don't want that kind of information given back to the public unfiltered and raw- the public just can't handle it. Give it to Littlefield. He know what to do with it.

  60. billzane on July 23, 2009

    What is the "front door of a private business"? And how do you know "intent"? Unless, you are actually on the inside of the conspiratorial cast of characters running the campaign. That's it! I bet you ARE a Stand employee, merely pretending to be against the initiative. All this banter and naysaying just to drive traffic and conversation about the topic. Brilliant strategy Allison!

  61. Allison on July 23, 2009

    Billzane, interpreting 25,000 opinions collected at anytime, from anywhere, from anybody are not verifiable even with mathematical spins from the major talents at Ochs. Unless you think, we should plan the entire future of Chattanooga on a poll similar to Chattanoogan.com. You follow a vision with the basis, most will not.
    Yes, I am an old baby boomer that is a big fan of factually supported data, and find arbitrary business development processes under a scam to use public support, tax exemptions, and grants at best, unethical.
    People that do not have a financial interest controlling political outcomes and lobbing will be examining the validity of the data, my friend. Count on it.

  62. billzane on July 23, 2009

    I have never seen more than a few hundred on Chattanoogan.com. But, if they could get 25,000 survey responses, I would pay attention. I venture to say you would, too. Statistically perfect? Of course not. But still relevant information to throw into the discussion.

    I still don't understand why you are so afraid of new ideas from citizens. I would hope that new solutions for old problems will be formed out of some of the data retrieved.

    Also, you talk of the current process being "unethical", but still don't see an explanation from you about how the first visioning process is different. They had the same funders (fact check please- is there a button for that?) as the current visioning process does. And that resulted in the leadership of your hero- Ron Littlefield! Out of new ideas arise new leaders. Count on that, my friend. I am.

  63. Allison on July 23, 2009

    Forget statistically perfect, the Stand data is simply a bunch of numbers, N= 25,000 that cannot be validated to ensure that geographic sub areas, cultural pockets, gender, and age was adequately represented. Hello, a community vision is one that includes all sectors of society, and the methods used will not support all sector. Don’t worry about this, because the 11,000 collected cannot be correlated to any cultural or race areas. PURE Garbage in and will be Garbage out. The cult followers of Josh, or “yellow zealots” as we will call them. An example would be sending yellow zealots after drunks at Riverbend, and returning with completed forms. Should we plan the future of Chattanooga on these surveys, absolutely not?

    Yes, Bill Zane, It is my opinion based upon facts that Stand is an unethical non profit operation because the intent is a political agenda, or at a minimum a political lobby effort. This is by Stands own admission. In either event, what has been disclosed by Stand on this website does not represent what Stand is telling the public.

  64. John Hawbaker on July 23, 2009

    I don't mind sharing what I do with that information. I'm primarily interested in the open-ended responses, where visitors to the site are free to say (privately) what they like or dislike about the site. It simply helps me gauge how readers perceive Chattarati and whether we're delivering what we intend to.

  65. billzane on July 23, 2009

    I ran into one of those "yellow zealots" at Coolidge Park and had one of the most pleasant and engaging conversations I've had in a while. I would encourage you to get out of your arm chair and do the same. You might be surprised they are actually humans. Real names and everything. Or better yet, venture way out of your comfort zone and head down to Main Street and talk with someone face to face down there. It's really weird what happens when you engage someone when you can look into their eyes. You see them for what they are. Allison, you are not seeing any of these people as fellow citizens. You are looking at them as enemies. In a way, I feel bad for you. There is so much more to life than conspiracies and politics. Can't you just be hopeful for a moment? I bet a stop by the yellow zealot headquarters would soften your hardened and jaded heart.

  66. billzane on July 23, 2009

    I know, dude. I was just giving you a hard time. Love the site! I am sure there are more people out there reading this site who are hopeful like me. I wish they, too, would engage in the conversation. But I understand why they don't. A message of fear and conspiracy will always be able to destroy any hopefulness.

  67. billzane on July 23, 2009

    Sounds like a little "creative envy" going on here. That would explain your beef. But seriously, congratulations on working to make Chattanooga a more vibrant arts scene. We need a lot of people working on that. Just like we need a lot of people working on making it a more entrepreneur friendly town. And the list goes on. Some are paid opportunities. Most will be volunteer opportunities. My guess is you wish you had the opportunity to run an org like CreateHere, although you might never actually admit it. And now we're going to pause for a time of introspection.........you don't have to tell me what you discovered deep down. I can guess.

  68. Allison on July 24, 2009

    I do not see the yellow zealots as enemies. I view them as nice people blindly following. You please proceed, follow, and wear the yellow zealot T in pursuit of business development and political pursuits under a non profit charter. Relax hava a green drink, we will ask the tough questions, and analyze forthcoming data from my arm chair.

  69. Allison on July 24, 2009

    Hey Stand dude, Chattarati knows who all of the responders are, and have demonstrated journalistic privacy. On the other hand, I submitted a Stand survey, and interestingly enough Stand has already established an email group from the 11,000 surveys.
    I received a mass email from Stand, their 1st email installment for political empire building to connect with neighborhood associations. The email gives directives to have a Stand neighborhood party. Of course, that is what political campaigns do.

  70. Little Napoleon on July 24, 2009

    Would love to hear from Allison for once what she would consider a better idea to move the city forward instead of just complaining about the current process. If she just wants to be a whining complainer, she should just get a radio show from 1-4 Monday-Friday. Thanks for listening.

  71. Little Napoleon on July 24, 2009

    A radio show host is not a journalist.

  72. billzane on July 24, 2009

    I am confused why you are calling me "Stand dude." I do not work or volunteer for Stand. Sorry to burst your bubble. Just a person. No conspiracy.

  73. billzane on July 24, 2009

    I don't know enough about that situation to argue with you, but this particular comment was directed at the Stand project. Maybe it's just misplaced angst? I think I am starting to get it.

  74. billzane on July 24, 2009

    "evil" is a very strong word, my friend.

  75. Robert T. Nash on July 24, 2009

    Wipe your mouth...

  76. Robert T. Nash on July 24, 2009

    I'm in The Word Business and I stand by my use of "evil" to describe Mai Bell Hurley...

  77. Little Napoleon on July 24, 2009

    Go back to your job and plug some more sugar water.

  78. allison on July 28, 2009

    If a non profit offers the same services as private business, charges for the service, and pays hefty salaries, then why should it be a non profit in the first place? Pay taxes like every other business.
    There are many private construction management services in Chattanooga that pay taxes and would enjoy the business opportunity that River City is taking away from the private sector, and the no tax status. There are many private marketing and research companies that would enjoy $400k or more to collect surveys, and tax exemption.
    Chattarati that you for allowing discussion on this topic. Many local media sources would not.
    Forms and a CPA, a few months of review by the State is all it takes to create a tax exempt business.

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